tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7338103888113272518.post6663522212763920897..comments2023-09-25T02:19:00.505-06:00Comments on Uomo Nuovo: Same-Gender Relationships: In This Life or In the Life to ComeJoseph Broomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10678836529467409126noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7338103888113272518.post-34366711201625027062014-02-23T16:19:47.154-07:002014-02-23T16:19:47.154-07:00Martin, thanks as always for your insightful comme...Martin, thanks as always for your insightful comments.<br /><br />John, thank you for taking the time to make such an extensive and thoughtful comment to my post. I take your point on the Mormon doctrine of intelligences, etc., a doctrinal point on which I am very aware. I was using "created" in a more generic sense. Again, although I take your point about D&C 93:29, we actually know next to nothing about this doctrine beyond a few statements in the D&C and the now fairly discredited Book of Abraham. But I don't want to get hung up on that. Thanks again for your thoughts.Joseph Broomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10678836529467409126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7338103888113272518.post-9741425512009337512014-02-23T15:04:48.099-07:002014-02-23T15:04:48.099-07:00Are you aware that the verses you quotes from D&am...Are you aware that the verses you quotes from D&C 131:104 contain a bracketed clause that was not part of Joseph Smith's original revelation, but was inserted by Orson Pratt, under the direction of Brigham Young in order to provide a "scriptural" basis for polygamy? The verse is [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage].<br /><br />Two other important items from the D&C. It says that not all of God's judgments are given to man. (D&C 29:30), and we do not know what qualifies a person for the two lower degrees of the Celestial Kingdom. This long-discussed question has never been answered. There may yet be a place in the world hereafter for Gay people, but the subject has never been revealed.<br /><br />I have to correct you doctrinally. You say "They are as God created them". According to the teachings of Joseph Smith and the revelations in the D&C, "man was in the beginning with God". "Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be." (93:29) We are self-existent beings. We exist by the same principle that God exists. God did not make us gay or straight. God did not make us period.<br /><br />When God formed Adam's body out of the dust of the ground, that body contained both masculine and feminine elements. Adam was formed in the image of God: male AND female. Later, Even was taken from his side, and the masculine and feminine elements were then manifested in different ways in different bodies, but each of us still have male and female elements to our nature -- some, perhaps, more than others. But, still, there is nothing to "fix".<br /><br />These comments actually bolster and support your position that Gay people do not need to be fixed. The whole have no need of a physician. If there is anything that Gay people need to repent of, it is the same thing that straight people need to repent of -- sexual promiscuity and marital infidelity. We now have no excuse, now that marriage is legal. We can now enter into the legal covenant of marriage, and be faithful and true to our spouse. <br /><br />But, for some reason, the church wants to make it impossible for us to keep this important commandment. This is not unlike the Pharoah of Egypt refusing to let the Children of Israel go into the wilderness and serve the Lord, or the US government preventing the LDS people from practicing what they believed was a divine commanement -- polygamy.John Cranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00382934036319968108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7338103888113272518.post-25469996830311208942014-02-23T14:25:46.413-07:002014-02-23T14:25:46.413-07:00Great article, it has taken me some time to come t...Great article, it has taken me some time to come to accepting myself this way.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16907811141743940812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7338103888113272518.post-64074168272927271102014-02-23T11:08:57.589-07:002014-02-23T11:08:57.589-07:00We all know the expression "it's hard rai...We all know the expression "it's hard raising children". My grandmother once whispered to me (when she knew I was not getting through to my parents about something) that "it's hard to raise parents". We had the best laugh together. Well, might I add that it's hard to raise Apostles - to exhort that they might receive greater light and truth, after the assumptions of their lives have sunk in deeply. But, Elder Holland did offer a recent audience just that. Bring us your requests. For us, it is simply that every flower in your celestial garden doesn't have to be a red tulip. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com